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Wednesday, June 04, 2008


US pre-elections

Well I was astounded again today when I heard Hillary isn't planning on supporting Obama. Come on you pigheaded cow! How much longer do the facts have to be shoved in your face. YOU LOST ALREADY!

Don't take me wrong, I'm not sure if Obama's the man for the job. I'm not really sure who did what anymore. Until I know more about McCain I'm not rooting for anyone. But if the democrats want to win the presidentials they'd better force Hillary to give up. This is not going to end well.


Just found this link on a forum. Read through it if you're in for some deep thoughts and if you've figured, it out a good laugh. All I have against this person is that he preaches to show people that they have certain presuppositions about the universe of which they are not aware. These presuppositions are supposed to cloud judgment of facts as it were. The problem with this mans story is that he bases his entire story on the "fact" that the bible is true (including his interpretation of it).

One argument struck me as particularly uneducated:
"...A young man approached me at a seminar and stated, ‘Well, I still believe in the big bang, and that we arrived here by chance random processes. I don’t believe in God.’ I answered him, ‘Well, then obviously your brain, and your thought processes, are also the product of randomness. So you don’t know whether it evolved the right way, or even what right would mean in that context. Young man, you don’t know if you’re making correct statements or even whether you’re asking me the right questions.’..."
If mister Ham knew something about random chance in this context he would not have used this argument. For if random chance is applied to big numbers as in evolution they cease to become mere random chances and become statistics. Yeah, that's right, we're all statistics, biatch. And this means that we, as humans (or any other living being for that matter), do not necessarily have a random process created brain. Our brain evolved in such a way that the human race could cope with it's surroundings. For this "random process" will eventually come across the best way to go on in this world

Highlighting this part of his argument:
"...So you don’t know whether it evolved the right way, or even what right would mean in that context. Young man, you don’t know if you’re making correct statements or even whether you’re asking me the right questions.’..."
What "right" means is not something that is inherently present in your brain as a result of evolution or anything else. What "right means" is something you realize by learning about the world and is mostly decided by your surroundings (parents, school, religion, etc.). It is true, the "young man" in this anecdote didn't formulate his complaint as well as he should have, but the argument given by Ham is easily chucked away.

You see, Ken, almost every physical, chemical or biological (potato, potàto) reaction is a "random chance process" as it were. The point is that this all is applied in such great numbers, even on microscopic scales, that it comes down to statistics. And when it comes down to statistics it gets pretty predictable.

There, done. Disclaimer: I'm not one to say God doesn't exist, I don't know. Mainly because of two things.
1) There's still stuff we can't explain, but hell we used to be unable to explain thunder.
2) We can neither prove nor disprove that there is such a thing as an intelligent designer.
All I can say is that I simply DO NOT KNOW.

Thank you for listening, you monkey, you.



At 2:57 PM, Blogger Arjan said...

I'm listening to Mcain's speech on Socks & Barney atm..but don't know if I've got time to listen to Obama's today..let alone Hillary's.
But there's also a lot of booing in Mcain's speech..where I'm not certain if it's pro-Mcain or not.

@ Philosophical..pfft another day.

At 2:58 PM, Blogger Arjan said...

oh and I get tired of hearing Mcain say 'That's not change we can believe in..'

At 11:40 PM, Blogger Erwin said...

your first reply confuses me. How can mccain give a non-pro-mccain speech?
Don't you mean pro-obama?

I do believe Maccain has said that Obama is not the man for the job, but that's logical coming from a republican.

At 12:02 AM, Blogger Arjan said...

of course Mcain isn't booing himself...there are voices from the croud who are booing.
Just click on the vids (over at S&B) and listen.
Btw..the Clinton vid somehow got stuck after a couple of minutes..

At 11:16 PM, Blogger Arjan said...

when you aren't doing anything usefull go bloghopping or something!

At 7:10 PM, Blogger R2K said...

McCain is pretty scary sometimes.


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